us from san francisco from "the war room"." michael, what did you think of the debate and the media reaction to it. i was a little surprised--not surprised by fox news' crying, and i suppose i shouldn't be surprised, but the rest of the mainstream press as usual went with their gut it's a tie. >> first, let's put it in perspective. what the vice presidential debate really meant. only joe biden could have lost or won that debate. anything that paul ryan could have done would not have done anything. i think fox news does what they do and they do very well, frankly. they were critical about things which you could criticize joe biden. the way he smirked the way he smiled. i wish he didn't do it as much, frankly. but you saw what the administration had done. you saw biden talk. it. to see sean hannity say rude and condescending, they're the captains of rudeness and condescension. this is the regular stuff that you get out of a debate. the stuff that we saw last week is not ordinarily what we get. >> cenk: let's go to an interesting side note here, which is whether they decided to do this
